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Patients WILL Have the Final Say on Pharma Social Media

After reading a bunch of Twitter buzz and a few blog posts, I wanted to weigh in with my opinion on the most recent hot topic relating to pharma, social media, and the FDA. As you all know, the FDA recently had hearings about the use of social media by pharma companies. A number of people  have pointed out that patients were very much under-represented at the hearings (John Mack did the math). Only 5 of the 60 or so speakers were those you could classify as “patient advocates” whether they were patients themselves or speaking on behalf of patient groups. As many have noted since the hearings, this number is probably too low. I agree…sort of.

First off, there’s a reason why patient participation was low. Your “average” patient certainly wouldn’t have known about the hearings. They weren’t talked about on the evening news and by the time they might have found out through some blog or industry journal (if they even read them), the registration period would have long since closed. Perhaps there were many more patients or patient advocacy groups that would have liked to have given their opinion. Of course, they still can, as public comments are open until February (all the info you need to do so is here). It’s unclear if any patients have actually taken the time to do this. However, you can probably bet that your “average” patient isn’t going to be the one who writes comments to the FDA. By “average,” I mean your parents, your friends, not patient bloggers or advocacy group leaders. This is fine. There’s nothing wrong with these leaders being the only patients who submit comments. I love the fact that these leaders exist and really, truly speak on behalf of the groups they lead…nothing in it for them, no ego, just trying to do what’s right for the group. Names like Manny Hernandez (TuDiabetes) and Gilles Frydman (ACOR) come to mind as two great examples.

What’s my point? Where am I going with this?

Well, a lot has been made recently on many blogs and Twitter that the hearings, and by extension, the guidelines that come from these hearings will be completely devoid of any feedback or consideration of patients, who will be the ones really impacted by the final decision. I’ll quote one very representative view (which ironically includes a quote from me), which comes from my friend, John Mack in a recent post (quote in italics):

At the November, 2009, BDI Forum in New York City (“Healthcare Social Communications Leadership Forum Breakfast”), a question from the audience to a panel I was part of got to the core of the value of pharma to online patient communities. The question was “Should pharma be in discussion forums or lists frequented by patients? Do we need an industry consensus where we shouldn’t go?”

My colleague on the panel, Jonathan Richman (@jonmrich) noted that some consumer advocates speaking at the recent FDA public hearing said that under no circumstances should pharmaceutical companies be allowed to engage consumers in discussions on social networks. Jonathan thought that was too extreme. He suggested a few examples where such discussions could bring some value to the online patient community. He said there is data to suggest that patients/consumers would value the discussion if done the right way.

The problem is the TOTAL LACK OF PATIENT REPRESENTATION in this discussion! We’ve heard opinions of agencies and seen data from studies sponsored by agencies, but what are the views of real patients who have been using social media for years? [italics add, bold and caps his]

You can go to John’s blog to see my response, as it’s not really important for my point today. Let’s be clear. I agree that patients should have a voice and that the FDA should want their opinions.

Here’s where it gets controversial: patient feedback in the guideline development process is not at all necessary. The guidelines, whatever they are, will have very little impact on patients.

Now, before you alert the authorities, let me explain. First, to be sure, I don’t want pharma to turn social media into a free for all of advertising. I was pretty clear about that in my testimony for the FDA (download my presentation for “Question 3″). While I said that pharma should be able to participate, I was also pretty restrictive on how they should be allowed to do this. One of these restrictions was that pharma shouldn’t be allowed to just jump into conversations unsolicited. Rather, they can (and should) get involved in discussions where there is a question about one of their brands or some misinformation about one of their brands. Wouldn’t this be seen as a positive versus a negative if done appropriately? On the other hand, trying to sell a product shouldn’t be allowed or encouraged. For example, when someone says, “does anyone know which treatment is best for depression?”  I don’t want to see 25 pharma companies come out of nowhere and give the details on why their product is the best. That is, I don’t want pharma to have unfettered authority and access to do whatever they want online in social media or any other place.

Back to patient feedback on the guidelines. I’ve read a few great patient posts on this (here and here are couple of them). It seems to me that these patients are pretty much in agreement with me. Many say that they don’t want pharma involved at all in social media (which seems like an unlikely outcome). Others Iv’e read seem open to some involvement. Now, here’s why the guidelines will have no impact on patients.

Social media is just that: social. No one is in charge. No one has a higher rank than anyone else. It’s democracy in action. Yes, there are people who are more influential than others and can drive the community in one direction or another, but in the end, the people, whether they be patients or buyers of computers or new mothers, decide what happens in the community. They decide what’s credible, who they listen to, who gets “air time,” and, most important, who succeeds and who fails. Those with more influence aren’t the new members of the community (as pharma companies would be). They are long established members who people learned to trust for a number of reasons. That’s how social media works.

So, picture this: guidelines come out and pharma is allowed to do whatever they want in social media. Does this mean that they actually can? Say a pharma companies joins Tu Diabetes, for example, and inserts itself into a conversation about a particular treatment. If the community doesn’t want them there, that’s it. The show is over for the pharma company. People will ignore them, block them, report them, flag them, and everything else you do to people you don’t want in your community. The community polices itself. That which is not valuable or valued is ignored and rejected. That which is useful and beneficial rises to the top. Which direction do you think the average pharma company would find itself heading in these communities?

This is why I say that patient feedback into the guidelines isn’t necessary. All the guidelines do is give a guide to what is legal and what’s not. They don’t give a guide as to what’s effective and what’s not. A pharma company trying to insert itself into a conversation where it is not welcome will never be effective regardless of what’s actually legal.

In fact, in the end, patients have the most influence on the guidelines. Far beyond any pharma company or agency or government official, the end user, the patient, decides what’s effective, what influences them, and what’s meaningful. Patients don’t care about guidelines. They care about the quality of the discussion and the support they get from others. Do you think they’re going to let pharma companies get in the way of that?

Granted, some patient groups might prefer to nip this in the bud right now by banning pharma straight away from these discussions and avoid the trouble of policing it later. That’s not realistic though. So, in lieu of that, patients should be speaking with their actions in social media and not with their feedback to some set of government guidelines (which may never come). Sure, patients should absolutely submit their feedback to FDA, but they can have far more impact in social media with their actions. There are hundreds of examples from other industries of consumers destroying a company’s social media efforts when they find it useless, insulting, or just plain annoying. Why would patients behave any differently?

If pharma companies come to social media with the same promotional tactics that they use on TV and print, they will fail miserably. Who will see to it that they fail? Not the FDA. Not some set of guidelines. Patients will.

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  • http://pharmamkting.blogspot.com/ John Mack

    Jonathan,

    Thank you for inviting me to comment on your post.

    There is plenty of evidence that when pharmaceutical companies are unrestrained by either FDA guidelines or ethical guidelines they enter social networks disguised as patients and carry on conversations without disclosing their relationship to a party with a financial interest in the conversation. It may be rouge employees of companies, or it may be agencies acting on behalf of companies. This has definitely happened and I have documented many cases on Pharma marketing Blogs.

    A healthy patient community may be able to ferret out these moles and deal with them without much trouble.

    My point is that these kinds of things were not discussed at the FDA hearings. It is perhaps outside the scope of the FDA and that is kind of what you are arguing.

    I want to move this argument BEYOND regulations and get into the territory of BEST PRACTICES and POLICIES that address issues such as the one I just mentioned. What if an employee of your company was found posing as a patient and posting unauthorized messages? What’s your policy for dealing with that? Only if pharma companies are transparent and back up it up with a PUBLIC policy that they agree to uphold will consumers and patients trust what they have to say.

    It would have been useful for us all to hear more views from patients at the recent FDA hearing. Contrary to what you claim, patients DO testify at many FDA public hearings, especially those that address drug safety issues. Their testimony is quite moving and enlightening.

    FDA should have better organized the meeting to ensure that ALL stakeholders had a chance to speak. To organize it on a first-come, first-serve basis was very discriminatory against groups that do not closely follow the FDA or who do not act quickly enough to beat us professionals to the punch. Even I realized I would have to act quickly if I wanted to attend!

    I suspect that the FDA did NOT want all the “crazies” to take over the discussion. What they got instead were agencies taking over the discussion. I think this served their purpose because I believe the FDA already has a rough draft of guidelines ready to go soon after the Feb 28, 2010 deadline for comments. It all depends on what you mean by “soon,” of course. For the FDA it may mean 6 months.

    To sum up my view on your post: yeah, patients don’t really matter when it comes to FDA guidelines. They matter, however, when marketers want to learn how to apply those guidelines and actually communicate with them. How many times have you heard that pharma marketers do not really understand consumers? Why not? Because they do not invite them in to the tent when important issues like this are discussed. Again, the FDA SHOULD have invited them into the tent and also PHYSICIANS. Don’t get me started on that!
    .-= John Mack´s last blog ..Pharma’s 2009 Letter to Santa =-.

    • http://www.doseofdigital.com/ Jonathan Richman

      Outstanding comment, John. I too would like to talk about what best practices look like here. More than contributing to guidelines, I’d like to see a survey of patients that goes to pharma to tell them what they should do in social media versus how the guidelines will tell them what they can do. That’ll probably more valuable to everyone.

      One point of conjecture…all the guidelines in the world aren’t going to stop “rogue” pharma (or any industry) people from flaunting the rules and posing as patients or someone else. That can’t be legislated. The punishment can and that’s about all the government can do. Communities are generally pretty good at figuring out who is real and who is not. It might take a while, but they always do. And when they do, those companies usually pay dearly. I hope that over time these rouges will get it through their heads that in the long-run, this isn’t a winning tactic.

      So, how about a patient survey with the results going to pharma?

  • http://pharmamkting.blogspot.com/ John Mack

    Jonathan,

    Thank you for inviting me to comment on your post.

    There is plenty of evidence that when pharmaceutical companies are unrestrained by either FDA guidelines or ethical guidelines they enter social networks disguised as patients and carry on conversations without disclosing their relationship to a party with a financial interest in the conversation. It may be rouge employees of companies, or it may be agencies acting on behalf of companies. This has definitely happened and I have documented many cases on Pharma marketing Blogs.

    A healthy patient community may be able to ferret out these moles and deal with them without much trouble.

    My point is that these kinds of things were not discussed at the FDA hearings. It is perhaps outside the scope of the FDA and that is kind of what you are arguing.

    I want to move this argument BEYOND regulations and get into the territory of BEST PRACTICES and POLICIES that address issues such as the one I just mentioned. What if an employee of your company was found posing as a patient and posting unauthorized messages? What’s your policy for dealing with that? Only if pharma companies are transparent and back up it up with a PUBLIC policy that they agree to uphold will consumers and patients trust what they have to say.

    It would have been useful for us all to hear more views from patients at the recent FDA hearing. Contrary to what you claim, patients DO testify at many FDA public hearings, especially those that address drug safety issues. Their testimony is quite moving and enlightening.

    FDA should have better organized the meeting to ensure that ALL stakeholders had a chance to speak. To organize it on a first-come, first-serve basis was very discriminatory against groups that do not closely follow the FDA or who do not act quickly enough to beat us professionals to the punch. Even I realized I would have to act quickly if I wanted to attend!

    I suspect that the FDA did NOT want all the “crazies” to take over the discussion. What they got instead were agencies taking over the discussion. I think this served their purpose because I believe the FDA already has a rough draft of guidelines ready to go soon after the Feb 28, 2010 deadline for comments. It all depends on what you mean by “soon,” of course. For the FDA it may mean 6 months.

    To sum up my view on your post: yeah, patients don’t really matter when it comes to FDA guidelines. They matter, however, when marketers want to learn how to apply those guidelines and actually communicate with them. How many times have you heard that pharma marketers do not really understand consumers? Why not? Because they do not invite them in to the tent when important issues like this are discussed. Again, the FDA SHOULD have invited them into the tent and also PHYSICIANS. Don’t get me started on that!
    .-= John Mack´s last blog ..Pharma’s 2009 Letter to Santa =-.

    • http://www.doseofdigital.com Jonathan Richman

      Outstanding comment, John. I too would like to talk about what best practices look like here. More than contributing to guidelines, I’d like to see a survey of patients that goes to pharma to tell them what they should do in social media versus how the guidelines will tell them what they can do. That’ll probably more valuable to everyone.

      One point of conjecture…all the guidelines in the world aren’t going to stop “rogue” pharma (or any industry) people from flaunting the rules and posing as patients or someone else. That can’t be legislated. The punishment can and that’s about all the government can do. Communities are generally pretty good at figuring out who is real and who is not. It might take a while, but they always do. And when they do, those companies usually pay dearly. I hope that over time these rouges will get it through their heads that in the long-run, this isn’t a winning tactic.

      So, how about a patient survey with the results going to pharma?

  • http://www.stevewoodruff.com/ Steve Woodruff

    Jon, I basically agree with you, and here’s why: in the on-line world, there’s legal, and then there’s valuable. Companies and agencies need basic guidelines to demarcate legal behavior, but the real culture change is for pharma companies to take up the question: How can we add value in the marketplace of ideas and in the realm of relationship-building?

    • http://www.doseofdigital.com/ Jonathan Richman

      Steve, great way to look at it: legal v. valuable. I suppose the test is whether or not your contribution meets both criteria and not just one or the other.

  • http://www.stevewoodruff.com Steve Woodruff

    Jon, I basically agree with you, and here’s why: in the on-line world, there’s legal, and then there’s valuable. Companies and agencies need basic guidelines to demarcate legal behavior, but the real culture change is for pharma companies to take up the question: How can we add value in the marketplace of ideas and in the realm of relationship-building?

    • http://www.doseofdigital.com Jonathan Richman

      Steve, great way to look at it: legal v. valuable. I suppose the test is whether or not your contribution meets both criteria and not just one or the other.

  • http://www.tudiabetes.org/profile/scott88 Scott

    Great commentary and I believe you are absolutely correct about the users of social media being able to police sites very well and that your comment of what’s legal as opposed to what’s efficient is right on target

  • http://www.tudiabetes.org/profile/scott88 Scott

    Great commentary and I believe you are absolutely correct about the users of social media being able to police sites very well and that your comment of what’s legal as opposed to what’s efficient is right on target

  • http://pharmamkting.blogspot.com/ John Mack

    Jonathan,

    Of course, I agree that best practices cannot be legislated. A public social media policy, however, is a PROMISE to the public about how the company will behave. As such it becomes subject to FTC oversight much like privacy policies. It was PhRMA that called for a better coordination between FDA and FTC. A public SM policy is one way to implement that.

    By making a public promise, it is more likely that the company will TRAIN its personnel in the policy and warn them of consequences of violating that policy, up to and including TERMINATION (of their job, not their life ;-)

    But even BEYOND FTC, a public SM policy/promise would go a long way to improving the trust between pharma and patients/general public.

    I only wonder what company will be BRAVE enough to be first? Of course, the excuse will be that they are waiting for FDA to issue guidelines. But why wait? Since the two are not necessarily dependent upon one another. In fact, by having an industrywide VOLUNTARY set of best practice guidelines, the industry may well avoid more restrictive govt regs — whether they be from FDA or FTC!
    .-= John Mack´s last blog ..Pharma’s 2009 Letter to Santa =-.

    • http://www.doseofdigital.com/ Jonathan Richman

      John, I think I may have missed the main point of your first comment. Sorry about that. I’m with you now. Public guidelines from each pharma company would be very valuable for all the reasons you mentioned. As for who will be first, I think you’ll start to see a few companies have some legitimate, meaningful participation this year long before guidelines come out. What happens to those intrepid few will determine what every other company then does. Thanks for the clarification.

  • http://pharmamkting.blogspot.com/ John Mack

    Jonathan,

    Of course, I agree that best practices cannot be legislated. A public social media policy, however, is a PROMISE to the public about how the company will behave. As such it becomes subject to FTC oversight much like privacy policies. It was PhRMA that called for a better coordination between FDA and FTC. A public SM policy is one way to implement that.

    By making a public promise, it is more likely that the company will TRAIN its personnel in the policy and warn them of consequences of violating that policy, up to and including TERMINATION (of their job, not their life ;-)

    But even BEYOND FTC, a public SM policy/promise would go a long way to improving the trust between pharma and patients/general public.

    I only wonder what company will be BRAVE enough to be first? Of course, the excuse will be that they are waiting for FDA to issue guidelines. But why wait? Since the two are not necessarily dependent upon one another. In fact, by having an industrywide VOLUNTARY set of best practice guidelines, the industry may well avoid more restrictive govt regs — whether they be from FDA or FTC!
    .-= John Mack´s last blog ..Pharma’s 2009 Letter to Santa =-.

    • http://www.doseofdigital.com Jonathan Richman

      John, I think I may have missed the main point of your first comment. Sorry about that. I’m with you now. Public guidelines from each pharma company would be very valuable for all the reasons you mentioned. As for who will be first, I think you’ll start to see a few companies have some legitimate, meaningful participation this year long before guidelines come out. What happens to those intrepid few will determine what every other company then does. Thanks for the clarification.

  • http://www.jnjbtw.com/ Marc Monseau

    Interesting post — and I basically agree with you. Regardless of legal or regulatory limitations, the ability of companies to successfully engage with people online depends on whether people will ALLOW companies (and here I would like to make the point that this truth extends beyond healthcare and includes ALL corporations or established organizations) to be part of the conversations that take place online. Permission will be granted if, among other things, the information or service the company provides is is useful, adds in a meaningful way to the conversation and is considered credible. In my humble opinion, providing that open, informative and credible pressnce that people turn to, listen to or trust isn’t going to be easy to achieve — but as I’ve said before, the only way we are going to get there is by listening to what is being said, and figuring out what benefit we can provide — and then to create the processes and approaches needed to do so, taking into account the regulatory and legal limitations.

  • http://www.jnjbtw.com Marc Monseau

    Interesting post — and I basically agree with you. Regardless of legal or regulatory limitations, the ability of companies to successfully engage with people online depends on whether people will ALLOW companies (and here I would like to make the point that this truth extends beyond healthcare and includes ALL corporations or established organizations) to be part of the conversations that take place online. Permission will be granted if, among other things, the information or service the company provides is is useful, adds in a meaningful way to the conversation and is considered credible. In my humble opinion, providing that open, informative and credible pressnce that people turn to, listen to or trust isn’t going to be easy to achieve — but as I’ve said before, the only way we are going to get there is by listening to what is being said, and figuring out what benefit we can provide — and then to create the processes and approaches needed to do so, taking into account the regulatory and legal limitations.

  • http://blog.pathoftheblueeye.com/ Fard Johnmar

    Jonathan:

    Thanks for posting this insightful blog post. You make a lot of great points here. I also agree that at the end of the day, patients will have the final say.

    I thought I’d share the comments of a patient (she goes by the name of Alica K), who commented on the issue of whether it is appropriate for patients who are active in social media (as opposed to off-line patients) to have a perspective on what the FDA should be doing in this space. (This issue is especially pertinent because she serves as a WEGO Health Activist, who some have described as biased because they provide insights to health organizations and pharma companies.)

    Her perspective is important because the FDA will likely be hearing from many empowered e-patients like her while making decisions about how it should handle pharma social media marketing. In part she said:

    “I do believe, from my personal experience, that the majority of those speaking out as activists have a good sense of the patient’s voice. Typically, as activists, we are active in communities where patients express their concerns, fears, complaints and challenges.” Interested readers can view the rest of her comments here: http://pbeye.info/134.

    Finally, I’d say that those worried that patients won’t have a say in this process should calm down. They, or the many organizations that represent them, will be beating down FDA’s door to influence how the agency regulates the Internet.

  • http://blog.pathoftheblueeye.com Fard Johnmar

    Jonathan:

    Thanks for posting this insightful blog post. You make a lot of great points here. I also agree that at the end of the day, patients will have the final say.

    I thought I’d share the comments of a patient (she goes by the name of Alica K), who commented on the issue of whether it is appropriate for patients who are active in social media (as opposed to off-line patients) to have a perspective on what the FDA should be doing in this space. (This issue is especially pertinent because she serves as a WEGO Health Activist, who some have described as biased because they provide insights to health organizations and pharma companies.)

    Her perspective is important because the FDA will likely be hearing from many empowered e-patients like her while making decisions about how it should handle pharma social media marketing. In part she said:

    “I do believe, from my personal experience, that the majority of those speaking out as activists have a good sense of the patient’s voice. Typically, as activists, we are active in communities where patients express their concerns, fears, complaints and challenges.” Interested readers can view the rest of her comments here: http://pbeye.info/134.

    Finally, I’d say that those worried that patients won’t have a say in this process should calm down. They, or the many organizations that represent them, will be beating down FDA’s door to influence how the agency regulates the Internet.

  • http://www.blogaceutics.com/ Miguel

    Jonathan, congratulations for this post. I agree with your arguments. At the end it’s about the wisdom of crowds:
    the many are smarter than the few (http://bit.ly/YG1cO). I wish the FDA officers read it and get convinced to let the system work on a self-regulation model.

  • http://www.blogaceutics.com Miguel

    Jonathan, congratulations for this post. I agree with your arguments. At the end it’s about the wisdom of crowds:
    the many are smarter than the few (http://bit.ly/YG1cO). I wish the FDA officers read it and get convinced to let the system work on a self-regulation model.

  • http://jsykdm.blogspot.com/ Meredith Gould

    Am I the last person on the #hcsm planet to chime in? Long week! I’m in over-the-top agreement with your point about how social media are, uh, social.

    Social media communities, especially those involving patients, seem to be very self-regulating. I’ll be most relieved when more folks grasp this sociological reality and move on to what I consider more pressing issues (e.g., health literacy, equal access to healthcare).

    I also wish to suggest that we would do well as a community to refrain from creating distinctions that do not serve the cause of delivering reliable, accurate, and useful healthcare information. Simply put: we’re ALL patients or will be at some point. Some of us simply have more time, energy, resources and fire than others to fight this good fight in public.
    .-= Meredith Gould´s last blog ..Engage With Grace: 2nd Annual T-Day Weekend Blog Rally =-.

    • http://www.doseofdigital.com/ Jonathan Richman

      Meredith, Great comment. Maybe we should stop all this talking about social media and move onto some of those other topics you mentioned (I know I’ve got a whole bunch more too). So, are we boycotting talking about social media? I think we’ve about talked it to death now.

  • http://jsykdm.blogspot.com Meredith Gould

    Am I the last person on the #hcsm planet to chime in? Long week! I’m in over-the-top agreement with your point about how social media are, uh, social.

    Social media communities, especially those involving patients, seem to be very self-regulating. I’ll be most relieved when more folks grasp this sociological reality and move on to what I consider more pressing issues (e.g., health literacy, equal access to healthcare).

    I also wish to suggest that we would do well as a community to refrain from creating distinctions that do not serve the cause of delivering reliable, accurate, and useful healthcare information. Simply put: we’re ALL patients or will be at some point. Some of us simply have more time, energy, resources and fire than others to fight this good fight in public.
    .-= Meredith Gould´s last blog ..Engage With Grace: 2nd Annual T-Day Weekend Blog Rally =-.

    • http://www.doseofdigital.com Jonathan Richman

      Meredith, Great comment. Maybe we should stop all this talking about social media and move onto some of those other topics you mentioned (I know I’ve got a whole bunch more too). So, are we boycotting talking about social media? I think we’ve about talked it to death now.

  • http://tudiabetes.org/ Manny Hernandez

    Jonathan,
    Amazing post! Thanks for capturing so well the essence of the overall patient view on pharma participation in Social Media.

    Besides Scott’s post in TuDiabetes on the topic:
    http://www.tudiabetes.org/profiles/blogs/social-media-and-pharma-now

    I thought you’d be interested in reading the comments in response to a discussion we initiated a few months ago, specifically asking members: “Do you see a role for support staff from pump/meter companies here?”
    http://www.tudiabetes.org/forum/topics/do-you-see-a-role-for-support

  • http://tudiabetes.org Manny Hernandez

    Jonathan,
    Amazing post! Thanks for capturing so well the essence of the overall patient view on pharma participation in Social Media.

    Besides Scott’s post in TuDiabetes on the topic:
    http://www.tudiabetes.org/profiles/blogs/social-media-and-pharma-now

    I thought you’d be interested in reading the comments in response to a discussion we initiated a few months ago, specifically asking members: “Do you see a role for support staff from pump/meter companies here?”
    http://www.tudiabetes.org/forum/topics/do-you-see-a-role-for-support